thursday for chuck hagel to be the nation's next defense secretary. bob woodward has a piece in "the washington post" today about a conversation he says hagel had with the president early in '09 right after the bush administration in which hagel said this, according to an account that hagel later gave, he told obama, we are at a time when there is a new world order. we don't control it. you must question everything. any assumption ten years old is out of date. you need to question our role. you need to question the military. you need to question what we are using the military for. it sounds to me like that makes a lot of sense, what hagel was telling the president right after he took office, given some of the blunders that occurred during the previous eight years. >> wolf, i don't disagree with any of that. i think that's the type of fresh thinking every president should do. what used to work doesn't always work. i do worry the president's response to it is the creation of vacuums around the world and his belief that america's use of its influence lea